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The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by Mikgof » Wed May 16, 2018 1:54 pm

Even the most ardent Trump supporter would have to admit that this is rank corruption of the highest order. I'm looking forward to the explanations in the coming days about how this is totally normal and legal behaviour in a democracy, and that anyway the 2 events are totally unrelated. It'll be called fake news but then Trump himself tweeted that the American government was to help bailout ZTE, a Chinese company, that broke both American and international law not once but twice.

Trump's controversial ZTE order came days after the Chinese government provided millions to a Trump Organization-tied project


President Donald Trump's order regarding Chinese telecom company ZTE came just days after the Chinese government moved to provide cash to a venture that will help the president's bottom line.

Trump's ZTE order has been admonished by lawmakers in both parties.


Within three days of the Chinese government agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to an Indonesian theme park that the Trump Organization has a deal to license President Donald Trump's name to, the president stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded against a major Chinese telecom company.

As HuffPost reported Monday, the developer of that project just outside of Jakarta had secured the half billion in funding, in addition to another $500 million from Chinese banks, 72 hours before Trump's Sunday tweet on the Chinese telecom company ZTE. Trump's family business has a deal with that developer to include the Trump name on the resort, which also includes hotels and a golf course.

"President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast," Trump tweeted Sunday. "Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!"

He added another tweet on the subject Monday, saying that ZTE "buys a big percentage of individual parts from U.S. companies."

"This is also reflective of the larger trade deal we are negotiating with China and my personal relationship with President Xi," he wrote.



Instead of divesting from his businesses and placing them into a blind trust, Trump instead made an arrangement prior to taking office that put his two adult sons and a senior Trump Organization executive in charge of his interests, and the president continues to profit from them.

"You do a good deal for him, he does a good deal for you. Quid pro quo," Richard Painter, White House ethics lawyer for former President George W. Bush and currently a Democratic Senate candidate in Minnesota, told HuffPost. "This appears to be yet another violation of the emoluments clause of the Constitution."

The foreign emoluments clause of the Constitution prohibits the president from receiving any payments from foreign governments.

"This is one of the most blatant examples of the problems that can arise when you have a president who refuses to divest his business interests and doesn’t seem concerned about conflicts of interest," Larry Noble, the senior director and general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center, told Business Insider. "There is clearly an appearance of a connection between Trump looking to release ZTE from US imposed sanctions three days after the Chinese government and Chinese banks agreed to provide a total of $1 billion in loans to a resort licensing the Trump name from his company."

Noble said if China's government made the loan guarantee in hopes of influencing Trump's decision, it would be in violation of the emoluments clause. If there was an agreement that the resort would get the loans in return for the president waiving the sanctions, it would cross into bribery.

Meanwhile, the White House did not respond to HuffPost's questions about whether China's decisions regarding the Indonesian venture had any connection to Trump's ZTE move. Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah referred questions about the project to the Trump Organization during Monday's press briefing. Reached by HuffPost, the Trump Organization said it was involved in the resort but did not answer questions about how much it would make from its deal with the developer.

The recent actions against ZTE were labeled as not just trade enforcement, but a matter of national security. The company's phones were described as a security risk by the Pentagon and US intelligence agencies. Last year, the company, which is 33% owned by the Chinese government, was fined $1.2 billion for violating US sanctions against North Korea and Iran. The US government later banned the company from purchasing US parts for seven years after the conclusion was made that ZTE officials lied about their actions. In turn, that move led the company to essentially shut down.

Trump's order was widely panned on both sides of the aisle. It came as a shock for some, as Trump had crusaded against Chinese trade practices on the campaign trail and in office, and has pushed his administration to aggressively take on those practices.

"You can't make this stuff up," Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont tweeted Monday. "Trump promised over and over again that he would bring back American jobs that have been outsourced to China. Instead of working to bring back outsourced jobs, he is now pledging to help create jobs in China."
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Re: The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by jeanV » Wed May 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Mikgof wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:54 pm
Within three days of the Chinese government agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to an Indonesian theme park that the Trump Organization has a deal to license President Donald Trump's name to, the president stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded against a major Chinese telecom company.

Trump is on the take.


Remember my guess that Russia holds Trump by the balls over some other crooked deal.


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Post by Mikgof » Wed May 16, 2018 3:43 pm

jeanV wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:13 pm
Mikgof wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:54 pm
Within three days of the Chinese government agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to an Indonesian theme park that the Trump Organization has a deal to license President Donald Trump's name to, the president stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded against a major Chinese telecom company.

Trump is on the take.


Remember my guess that Russia holds Trump by the balls over some other crooked deal.


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So true. In a normal democracy, Trumps latest stunt would result in him doing jail time. In a normal democracy, his supporters would want to lynch him for what is openly and blatantly, corruption plain and simple. But this is not a normal democracy. His supporters will simply claim that this is perfectly normal and that anyone who objects is a traitor. That will appease his base. And just to muddy the waters, they'll also claim that it is fake news. Hell, as the opposition in America seems to be singularly lacking in the testicular department, they'll probably buy it as well. Anything just as long as they don't have to do anything.
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Re: The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by Slappy » Wed May 16, 2018 6:04 pm

the Russians and stormy Daniels had a hand in helping trump funnel the payoffs through a bank in Passaic new jersey

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Re: The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by Mikgof » Wed May 16, 2018 7:10 pm

Slappy wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 6:04 pm
the Russians and stormy Daniels had a hand in helping trump funnel the payoffs through a bank in Passaic new jersey
Sarcasm doesn't detract from the fact that this is the most brazen piece of corruption ever in a Western democracy.
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Re: The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by jeanV » Wed May 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Mikgof wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 7:10 pm
Sarcasm doesn't detract from the fact that this is the most brazen piece of corruption ever in a Western democracy.
Trump is a terrible POTUS ever because he mixes the traits of four bad POTUSes:

- Jackson's isolationism and populism (* text below by Alexis de Tocqueville)
- Harding's graft (ZTE package, whatever debt he has to Russia)
- Hoover's protectionism and subsequent collapse of international trade
- GW's lack of understanding of international affairs (NK, Iran)

The American Century is ending with the tragicomic pantomime of returning to the past.

Trump even fails at failing with style: at least Nero burnt his city down literally.

And at least Andrew Jackson served. As a general. Not a bonespurs playing tin soldier.

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General Jackson is the agent of the state jealousies; and he was placed in his lofty station by the passions that are most opposed to the central government. It is by perpetually flattering these passions that he maintains his station and his popularity. General Jackson is the slave of the majority: he yields to its wishes, its propensities, and its demands—say, rather, anticipates and forestalls them. ... General Jackson stoops to gain the favor of the majority; but when he feels that his popularity is secure, he overthrows all obstacles in the pursuit of the objects which the community approves or of those which it does not regard with jealousy. Supported by a power that his predecessors never had, he tramples on his personal enemies, whenever they cross his path, with a facility without example; He even treats the national representatives with a disdain approaching to insult; he puts his veto on the laws of Congress and frequently neglects even to reply to that powerful body. He is a favorite who sometimes treats his master roughly.

— Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1835, Volume I, Chapter XVIII
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Re: The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by Richard » Wed May 16, 2018 8:47 pm

“Trump is finally finished now!” said the increasingly nervous man for the 437th time

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Post by Mikgof » Wed May 16, 2018 9:35 pm

Richard wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:47 pm
“Trump is finally finished now!” said the increasingly nervous man for the 437th time
No. Trump is not finished. He ought to be but isn't. He openly flaunts his corruption, knowing full well that he will not be brought to account. If he is impeached or brought to trial for corruption or collusion (the weaselly word used these days for treason) there will be civil war. Literally. The powers that be will find a way of brushing it all under the table. Better that than a full bloodied civil war. Trump will not serve a second term though. They will at least insist on that. But Trump would have made his money and gotten his revenge on Obama for humiliating him in 2011.
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Re: The Swamp just got filled to overflowing.

Post by Richard » Thu May 17, 2018 4:40 pm

The only thing you’re right about is war.

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